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Future Secured - Shaping a Future-Proof Digital Society
Future Secured brings you in-depth conversations with Australian and global cyber security leaders, founders, CEOs, and co-founders.
Hosted by Jason Murell and Tom Finnigan, each episode delves into the personal journeys of these experts as they navigate the challenges of building and scaling successful cyber security businesses.
From critical industry issues to hard-learned lessons, the podcast explores the competitive global market and offers valuable insights on how to start, grow, and succeed in the cyber security space.
Join us as we uncover the stories behind the industry's brightest minds and build a knowledge base to help aspiring cyber security entrepreneurs thrive.
Future Secured - Shaping a Future-Proof Digital Society
🎙️ Future Secured Episode 30: Every Company Has a Red Team. You Just Might Not Own Yours.
Red teaming isn’t new, but it is still wildly misunderstood. In this episode of Future Secured, we’re joined by Remy Coll, Founder of Redacted, to unpack what red teaming really means, why most organisations still don’t use it effectively, and how it could be the difference between surviving a breach and being blindsided by one.
Despite the buzz around cyber testing, many businesses continue to rely solely on penetration testing, missing the bigger picture. Red teaming goes further—testing not just your tech, but your people, processes and response capabilities under real-world pressure.
As Remy puts it, “Every company has a red team. You just might not own yours.”
From SOC empowerment and business continuity to the growing need for cyber education in vulnerable communities, this episode challenges our assumptions about what it really takes to be cyber ready.
Key Takeaways:
Red teaming tests people, processes, and tech, not just IT systems.
Most businesses have never tested their response plans in real conditions.
Great security is found at the nexus of process, technology, and people.
Crisis response skills—like those used in medicine or defence—translate well into cyber.
Cross-skilling from diverse sectors can strengthen cyber teams.
Red teaming uncovers unnecessary spend on ineffective tools and licenses.
Every business needs to know what’s reasonable in their security obligations.
Vulnerable groups—like the elderly and survivors of abuse—need better cyber education.
Sound Bites:
💬 “Every company has a red team. You just might not own yours.”
💬 “No plan survives the first shot. So take the shot yourself.”
💬 “Protection is only part of the story—response is where you win or lose.”
💬 “The only way to know your plan works is to test it.”
💬 “We need to bring cyber down to the people who need it most.”
Chapters:
00:00 – Welcome and Introduction
03:00 – Remy’s Cyber Journey and Starting Redacted
06:30 – The Culture of Red Teaming vs. Pen Testing
10:00 – Real-World Response: Testing Plans Before an Attack
14:00 – Empowering SOCs to Act Fast
17:00 – Cross-Skilling and Crisis Skills in Cyber
21:00 – Red Teaming and Supply Chain Security
28:00 – What’s Reasonable? Cyber Accountability in the Law
34:00 – Metrics, Frameworks and the Real Gaps
43:00 – Building Red Team Capability Internally
46:00 – Protecting the Vulnerable: A Broader Cyber Mission